Post by maruf on Apr 12, 2005 11:44:52 GMT -5
This is a very interesting read. It shows how:
1. The Catholic Church is used to suit the objectives of the West
2. They are concerned and envy strong Muslims who stick to their deen i.e. "Fundamentalists," "Traditionalists," Extremists," etc.
3. While at the same time envying strong Muslims, they desire to bring Islaam closer to their chaos, meaning Secular religion. This means just teaching the prayer and rituals, not political Islaam or true revival.
2:120 Never will the Jews or the christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
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This is why every Muslim should be on guard to protect their Deen (Which is a complete distinct way of life that is political, social, economical, etc.). Islaam does not tolerate secularism, capitalism, or nationalism
I have taken to time to put in bold statements I found were key.
was-salaam
Br. Ma'ruf
April 12, 2005
Issue for Cardinals: Islam as Rival or Partner in Talks
By IAN FISHER
www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/international/worldspecial2/12islam.html
ROME, April 11 - One is from Nigeria, a man who grew up among Muslims and says there is no clash of cultures. Another is from Germany, who believes that it may be useful to talk to Muslims but that it is better to revitalize Christianity. Others speak of the need for Muslims in Europe to integrate better or even to become more secular.
By coincidence or not, many cardinals mentioned as candidates to be the next pope have strongly expressed positions on Islam, and on whether the Roman Catholic Church's relations with Muslims should be conciliatory or a notch more confrontational.
John Paul II had a consistent, even ground-breaking, strategy for addressing Islam: Talk at all costs, even if there were few concrete results. But in the Vatican, and especially since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, his unbudging advocacy of dialogue had spawned criticism, mostly quiet, as being not muscular enough.
Now, although relations with Islam will not be the decisive issue for the 115 cardinals who will meet to select the next pope, the debate is seen as vital because it intersects centrally with other major issues facing the church: increasing secularism in Europe, contrasting with the religious revival in the Islamic world; relations with other religions; and the rising number of Muslim immigrants in Europe.
Though the discussion in the church is nuanced, less a matter of opposing camps than of shades and emphasis, much of it revolves around two questions: How great a danger does Islam, the world's second-largest religion, present to Christianity, the largest? And how useful it is to continue, in the same way, John Paul's policy of dialogue?
"It would be too much to say there is a split, because the lines are not clearly drawn," said the Rev. Daniel A. Madigan, a Jesuit priest who heads a program on interreligious dialogue at the Gregorian Pontifical University in Rome.
But it is clear that some in the church - among them cardinals who will vote for the new pope - see Islam as a threat and too much talk with Muslims as unproductive.
"For some people, it's a time to close ranks, that dialogue is a sign of weakness," Father Madigan said. "So the attitude of some people would be to hold the line - 'Let's not give people the idea that we're not sure who we are.' And that flows into the theological notion of, 'If we've got the truth, what do we have to learn from anybody else?' "
Even given this view, most of the cardinals who are considered possible papal candidates lean closer to John Paul's embrace of dialogue. But there are hints, too, that cardinals want to overcome a major internal criticism of the pope's efforts with Muslims: that it has managed to reach out only to moderates, not hard-liners who pose greater risks.
1. The Catholic Church is used to suit the objectives of the West
2. They are concerned and envy strong Muslims who stick to their deen i.e. "Fundamentalists," "Traditionalists," Extremists," etc.
3. While at the same time envying strong Muslims, they desire to bring Islaam closer to their chaos, meaning Secular religion. This means just teaching the prayer and rituals, not political Islaam or true revival.
2:120 Never will the Jews or the christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.
æóáóä ÊóÑúÖóì Úóäßó ÇáúíóåõæÏõ æóáÇó ÇáäøóÕóÇÑóì ÍóÊøóì ÊóÊøóÈöÚó ãöáøóÊóåõãú Þõáú Åöäøó åõÏóì Çááøåö åõæó ÇáúåõÏóì æóáóÆöäö ÇÊøóÈóÚúÊó ÃóåúæóÇÁåõã ÈóÚúÏó ÇáøóÐöí ÌóÇÁßó ãöäó ÇáúÚöáúãö ãóÇ áóßó ãöäó Çááøåö ãöä æóáöíøò æóáÇó äóÕöíÑò
This is why every Muslim should be on guard to protect their Deen (Which is a complete distinct way of life that is political, social, economical, etc.). Islaam does not tolerate secularism, capitalism, or nationalism
I have taken to time to put in bold statements I found were key.
was-salaam
Br. Ma'ruf
April 12, 2005
Issue for Cardinals: Islam as Rival or Partner in Talks
By IAN FISHER
www.nytimes.com/2005/04/12/international/worldspecial2/12islam.html
ROME, April 11 - One is from Nigeria, a man who grew up among Muslims and says there is no clash of cultures. Another is from Germany, who believes that it may be useful to talk to Muslims but that it is better to revitalize Christianity. Others speak of the need for Muslims in Europe to integrate better or even to become more secular.
By coincidence or not, many cardinals mentioned as candidates to be the next pope have strongly expressed positions on Islam, and on whether the Roman Catholic Church's relations with Muslims should be conciliatory or a notch more confrontational.
John Paul II had a consistent, even ground-breaking, strategy for addressing Islam: Talk at all costs, even if there were few concrete results. But in the Vatican, and especially since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, his unbudging advocacy of dialogue had spawned criticism, mostly quiet, as being not muscular enough.
Now, although relations with Islam will not be the decisive issue for the 115 cardinals who will meet to select the next pope, the debate is seen as vital because it intersects centrally with other major issues facing the church: increasing secularism in Europe, contrasting with the religious revival in the Islamic world; relations with other religions; and the rising number of Muslim immigrants in Europe.
Though the discussion in the church is nuanced, less a matter of opposing camps than of shades and emphasis, much of it revolves around two questions: How great a danger does Islam, the world's second-largest religion, present to Christianity, the largest? And how useful it is to continue, in the same way, John Paul's policy of dialogue?
"It would be too much to say there is a split, because the lines are not clearly drawn," said the Rev. Daniel A. Madigan, a Jesuit priest who heads a program on interreligious dialogue at the Gregorian Pontifical University in Rome.
But it is clear that some in the church - among them cardinals who will vote for the new pope - see Islam as a threat and too much talk with Muslims as unproductive.
"For some people, it's a time to close ranks, that dialogue is a sign of weakness," Father Madigan said. "So the attitude of some people would be to hold the line - 'Let's not give people the idea that we're not sure who we are.' And that flows into the theological notion of, 'If we've got the truth, what do we have to learn from anybody else?' "
Even given this view, most of the cardinals who are considered possible papal candidates lean closer to John Paul's embrace of dialogue. But there are hints, too, that cardinals want to overcome a major internal criticism of the pope's efforts with Muslims: that it has managed to reach out only to moderates, not hard-liners who pose greater risks.