Post by maruf on Jul 16, 2004 13:24:57 GMT -5
Some of his comments about Mustapha Kemal in Turkey are indeed true, what he misses is that the Turkish Nationalism was encouraged as well as the Arab Nationalism by the same powers that encourages the disconnection from the Othmani Khilafah.
The Secular if not Kafir Army (not the individuals, the leaders) see it as their duty to protect the ideals of Mustapha Kemal or Kemalism so his pictures are every where, businesses have to display his pictures and of course no one openly curses him. It is ironic that you will see him regarded in a similar way that Sadam Hussein was regarded in Iraq, maybe even similar how Jinnah is viewed in Pakistan. What about how Nasr was viewed in Egypt?
Looking at this from an Islaamic worldview, we know that the kuffar have always and will always try to take Muslims from their Deen.
The model for Muslims clearly is a State that follows Islaam in its constitution and its systems. What we are talking about is an Islaamic State, so if it happened in the past, with the Help of Allah it will happen again with the Ummah turning towards its responsibility.
Bush is a Kafir that works for the Kuffar interest, who will never have the Ummah’s interest in mind.
They will never acknowledge that the Ummah benefited along with the rest of the World when Islaam ruled, because then the next logical step is not Democracy, which does not even solve the Western problems, but to return to sincere rule by Qur’an and Sunnah, The Khilafah.
Insha Allah, although they dislike it Allah says:
9:32 Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
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was-salaam
COMMENT: Bush’s Turkish delight —Farish A Noor
www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=story_3-7-2004_pg3_5
Historical, rather than contemporary, Turkey is still seen as a model by Muslims the world over. Yet it is precisely this past that is being erased and denied
During a recent trip to Turkey for the NATO summit, President George Bush has endorsed the government of Turkey. This gives to ‘Turkish delight’ a new meaning! On the look out for friendly Muslim regimes that can be brought into the fold of the ‘coalition of the willing’, the American political elite has just adopted their long-term ally, Turkey. The president has even said it was time for the European Union to accept Turkey’s bid to join the EU. The reasoning behind this, we are told, is that Turkey is now seen as a ‘model Muslim state’ where everything is hunky-dory and civil rights and personal freedoms are overflowing.
The Turkish cup is runneth over with freedoms to be shared by the rest of the Muslim world!
Yet during my recent visit to Turkey, I was told that there were certain things I simply could not mention or speak about in public: Never discuss the relevance of Islam to politics; never suggest that the Ottoman epoch was anywhere close (or worse still, better) than the present state of affairs; never praise the policies of the Ottomans; never question the separation of religion and state; and never question the achievements of the great Kemal Ataturk. That left me with precious little to talk about, save my observations on Turkish coffee and tobacco.
I was told the authorities do not appreciate critical comments on Kemal Ataturk; that I could get my hosts into trouble by blabbering in my usual manner. Such respect is considered overdue for the man whose stature and place in history have been overblown by the numerous propagandists and official photographers. (The fact is Ataturk was a somewhat ordinary looking man, and he cut a rather pedestrian figure compared to other Turks of his time — yet in all his official portraits he is seen as a towering figure of virile Turkish manhood.)
A law, called ‘To Love Ataturk Act’ was apparently passed during Ataturk’s own lifetime. It specifically forbids any form of criticism against the man and his ideas. “That means even Ataturk could not criticise himself. Thankfully psychoanalysis was not in vogue then, for had he indulged in a spot of self-criticism on the psychoanalyst’s couch, Ataturk would have been arrested for criticising himself!” I tried to joke. My feeble attempt to break the ice did not meet with a warm response: My Turkish hosts’ jaws dropped to the floor. It felt as if the roof was about to collapse on our heads.
Turkey is, in many ways, a unique state. Straddling the mighty Bosphorus, the fabled city of Istanbul is divided between the Occident and Greater Asia. On either side of the bridge that spans the great river one sees the signs: ‘Welcome to Europe’ and ‘Welcome to Asia’, respectively.
The Secular if not Kafir Army (not the individuals, the leaders) see it as their duty to protect the ideals of Mustapha Kemal or Kemalism so his pictures are every where, businesses have to display his pictures and of course no one openly curses him. It is ironic that you will see him regarded in a similar way that Sadam Hussein was regarded in Iraq, maybe even similar how Jinnah is viewed in Pakistan. What about how Nasr was viewed in Egypt?
Looking at this from an Islaamic worldview, we know that the kuffar have always and will always try to take Muslims from their Deen.
The model for Muslims clearly is a State that follows Islaam in its constitution and its systems. What we are talking about is an Islaamic State, so if it happened in the past, with the Help of Allah it will happen again with the Ummah turning towards its responsibility.
Bush is a Kafir that works for the Kuffar interest, who will never have the Ummah’s interest in mind.
They will never acknowledge that the Ummah benefited along with the rest of the World when Islaam ruled, because then the next logical step is not Democracy, which does not even solve the Western problems, but to return to sincere rule by Qur’an and Sunnah, The Khilafah.
Insha Allah, although they dislike it Allah says:
9:32 Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
íõÑöíÏõæäó Ãóä íõØúÝöÄõæÇú äõæÑó Çááøåö ÈöÃóÝúæóÇåöåöãú æóíóÃúÈóì Çááøåõ ÅöáÇøó Ãóä íõÊöãøó äõæÑóåõ æóáóæú ßóÑöåó ÇáúßóÇÝöÑõæäó<br>
was-salaam
COMMENT: Bush’s Turkish delight —Farish A Noor
www.dailytimes.com.pk/print.asp?page=story_3-7-2004_pg3_5
Historical, rather than contemporary, Turkey is still seen as a model by Muslims the world over. Yet it is precisely this past that is being erased and denied
During a recent trip to Turkey for the NATO summit, President George Bush has endorsed the government of Turkey. This gives to ‘Turkish delight’ a new meaning! On the look out for friendly Muslim regimes that can be brought into the fold of the ‘coalition of the willing’, the American political elite has just adopted their long-term ally, Turkey. The president has even said it was time for the European Union to accept Turkey’s bid to join the EU. The reasoning behind this, we are told, is that Turkey is now seen as a ‘model Muslim state’ where everything is hunky-dory and civil rights and personal freedoms are overflowing.
The Turkish cup is runneth over with freedoms to be shared by the rest of the Muslim world!
Yet during my recent visit to Turkey, I was told that there were certain things I simply could not mention or speak about in public: Never discuss the relevance of Islam to politics; never suggest that the Ottoman epoch was anywhere close (or worse still, better) than the present state of affairs; never praise the policies of the Ottomans; never question the separation of religion and state; and never question the achievements of the great Kemal Ataturk. That left me with precious little to talk about, save my observations on Turkish coffee and tobacco.
I was told the authorities do not appreciate critical comments on Kemal Ataturk; that I could get my hosts into trouble by blabbering in my usual manner. Such respect is considered overdue for the man whose stature and place in history have been overblown by the numerous propagandists and official photographers. (The fact is Ataturk was a somewhat ordinary looking man, and he cut a rather pedestrian figure compared to other Turks of his time — yet in all his official portraits he is seen as a towering figure of virile Turkish manhood.)
A law, called ‘To Love Ataturk Act’ was apparently passed during Ataturk’s own lifetime. It specifically forbids any form of criticism against the man and his ideas. “That means even Ataturk could not criticise himself. Thankfully psychoanalysis was not in vogue then, for had he indulged in a spot of self-criticism on the psychoanalyst’s couch, Ataturk would have been arrested for criticising himself!” I tried to joke. My feeble attempt to break the ice did not meet with a warm response: My Turkish hosts’ jaws dropped to the floor. It felt as if the roof was about to collapse on our heads.
Turkey is, in many ways, a unique state. Straddling the mighty Bosphorus, the fabled city of Istanbul is divided between the Occident and Greater Asia. On either side of the bridge that spans the great river one sees the signs: ‘Welcome to Europe’ and ‘Welcome to Asia’, respectively.