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Post by brmaruf on Aug 17, 2004 19:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by muslimunity on Aug 19, 2004 15:25:05 GMT -5
asalaamu alaykum, Jzk, br. Maruf, that was a very informative interview and answered many questions I had. Just one thing; what does the brother mean when he says hizbu tahrir does not adopt on aqeedah? From what I understand HT did adopt on certain issues concerning aqeedah, like the use ahad ahadeeth to establish 'aqeedah. Did I misunderstand something? salaam
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Post by Dawah on Sept 7, 2004 2:01:17 GMT -5
HT does not adopt on aqeedah because there can only be one aqeedah. In essence the aqeedah is something that is definate and the issue with ahad hadith is that they imply uncertainty and therefore are not definate and cannot be taken into aqeedah.
Allah (swt) curses the Jews and Chrisitians for taking doubt as a basis for belieff and by greater reason this applies to the Muslims.
Ahad hadith must be acted upon and somebody who denies them is sinful but it does not make them a disbeliever because they are not part of belief.
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Post by maruf on Sept 7, 2004 22:29:17 GMT -5
Here is a nice reply from a brother on a yahoo group discussing if UK or Britain supports HT in its objective of re-establishing the khilafah.
was-salaam
Assalamu Alaykum,
I don't understand what the point of this discussion is. Jazak Allah Khair for your concern, and inshaAllah we will keep our eyes open.
Just to give you a small example of why your analysis is missing very large pieces, I will explain the following:
Regardless of whether Britain is ok with the existence of the Hizb in the UK or not, this means absolutely nothing to us. We do things based on what Islam tells us to do. We present Islam as the alternative to capitalism and expose the corruption of their system; this is with regards to our addressing the Kuffar. With the Muslims, we expose the unIslamic concepts and the agent rulers, and we culture our Ummah.
So what if the UK sees some benefit in the re-establishment of the Khilafah, as absurd and poorly researched a conclusion this is. Many countries might see benefit in the return of the Khilafah, such as China and much of Africa, but that is irrelevant to us.
As for why Britain lets us do what we want and doesn't make us illegal, is because they are smart politicians. Anyone who looks at what happened to Al-Ikhwan Al-Muslimeen and Jamal Abdul-Naaser can see the dangerous repercissions of singling out a very large and popular group. It makes them not only more powerful, but it makes them "so dangerous, that the STATE saw it necessary to stop them". If they leave us alone, many many people will not take us seriously, and we lose the sympathy card.
Also, look what happened to the Hizb in Uzbekistan. Karimov went on television saying that we had a corrupt Aqeeda. Everyone came to us wanting to know what our Aqeeda was, and that is why (aside from the generousity of Allah) we have something like over 10,000 people in the Hizb (7,000 are in the jails).
So, Britain is stuck:If they let us do what we want, we will grow. If they attack us, we will grow even faster. I believe they have chosen to go with door #1. But rest assured, they do not support us for even one second. They despise us, and wish they could take us all and slaughter us one by one. If you do not believe this, then you know nothing about Islam and Kufr. Also, do you think that they are so stupid to support the very people whom they destroyed (as mentioned by The Sharp Sword)? Do you think that they don't know that we have not forgotten what they did to us? Do you think that they haven't read "How the Khilafah was Destroyed" where, in it, we say that we should raise our children to hate the British? I suggest you take your own advice and diversify your own sources of information.
I only send this email to make sure that things are clear. In any case, it means nothing if what you say is correct or incorrect. We keep doing what we do, and the Kuffar can burn on the inside now, and inshaAllah burn on the inside and out in the Akhirah.
Salam
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Post by Islamic Revival on Sept 8, 2004 0:03:00 GMT -5
As-salam alaikum,
Br Maruf, especially for the benefit for those who do not know, can I assume that this was written in response to those who were accusing the Hizb of playing into the hands of the British Govt and fulfilling the objectives of the British. As the party has not been banned in Britain, it has led some individuals to say that it must be fulfilling a certain objective?
JazakAllah for posting the response in order to clarify this matter.
wa salam.
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Post by maruf on Sept 8, 2004 8:29:51 GMT -5
Your assumption would be correct, Islamic revival. I did not clarify this enough in my previous post. thank you...may Allah reward you! It is interesting because I even heard this comment on my recent trip...some would ask why is the Hizb allowed such openness to operate in the UK. I think this is a bit of an excuse though with some, with others it might be a sincere question, Allah knows. It is amazing, but at the same time human,that people would be so afraid to change their own condition when their condition is slavery and defeat. It is like someone is molesting or abusing my little sister and mother, but I am too afraid to take the steps that would free myself and family up, but of course this could bring rape and torture, even greater than the molesting and abuse, but is not this already written? Can I really escape what Allah has willed for me or what will enter be into Jennah? We should stop waiting on the sidelines in fear and try to trust sincere Muslims instead of looking for ways out of the struggle and most importantly respond to the call of Allah and obey what he has ordered us to do. I would always say if you have a problem with a particular group...go and join another one you do not have a problem with and work for the objective that we all agree is needed...the return of the khilafah. But do not just sit there in discontent waiting for the Mahdi or thinking that the Heat will not come on you simply because you try to avoid the struggle. was-salaam
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Post by yuit on Oct 5, 2004 7:24:58 GMT -5
Can someone please tell me the difference between HT ideas and Al Muhajiroun. It seem to me that alot of people are getting muddle up between the two groups. I have heard many people talk about policies and link the two together.
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Post by maruf on Oct 5, 2004 7:34:47 GMT -5
As-salaamu'alaykum Brother! And Welcome to the discussion board.
Masha Allah, you are "off to a running start" sort to speak in terms of your posts and replies.
1. It sounds like you are in the UK?
2. Why do not you get into contact with some brothers over there and have a face to face and find out first hand what is the difference between the groups?
I would suggest this method as the best method for it is direct and allows for the human contact, which if possible is the best way to go.
was-salaam
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Post by Bint Mohammed on Oct 12, 2004 16:15:08 GMT -5
Salaam
According to this latest release by Omar Bakri (leader of al-Muhajiroon) -it has been dissolved.
------------------- AN OFFICIAL DECLARATION DISSOLVING AL-MUHAJIROUN
Bismillah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem
After the dismantling of the Soviet Union and the collapse of Eastern camp, the USA has led the world unilaterally. After they declared the new world order, they moved forward very quickly in an attempt to control and destroy Islam as the only real enemy for her and then increased her animosity towards the Muslim Ummah, i.e. a 5th of Humanity. In fact the USA was very close to establishing her dominance under the pretext of political globalisation, which was to lead to cultural globalisation (according to her claim) and which would help her to change the curriculum in the Muslim world in order to spread secularism and eradicate the call of Islam, the call of Tawheed, the call of al-wala wal bara and the call of Jihad, in order to facilitate a total and open attack against Islam. After all her hard work, her glittering slogans and sweet speech about Islam, and having mesmerized the minds of many people and impressing many who were besotted with the Western culture - behind her mask under which she used to hide her hatred towards Islam and Muslims - suddenly we saw the magnificent operation of 9/11, which was in fact not in their account or in the account of many people.
The operation of 9/11 upset everything that the USA was enjoying and planning: her plots and conspiracies whose magic had affected many. 9/11 made her reassess many things around the world. The mask fell down and out came the joint crusaders – the Jews, Christians, Mushriks (idolaters), the atheists and secularists, all of whom declared a new war against Islam and Muslims under the leadership of USA, under the pretext of fighting terrorism and Wahabbisim - as a war against the Jihadis in order to seduce the remaining people.
The painful attack of 9/11 encouraged her to revive all her alliances with most countries around the world and to establish new ones with hitherto unknown countries who had no substance, so as to form a global alliance. This included NATO, Russia, India, Japan, South Korea and Israel among others. This pushed USA to have a new round of alliance with communist countries like China and to play a new role of threatening and persuasion with the Muslims in the East and in the West. They hoped to gain the hearts of the Muslims so that they would not sympathise with the Mujahideen and so that they would leave the global crusade to terrorise Muslims with new laws and to imprison and mass arrest them. So that they could seize their properties and wealth and pressurise them to distort Islam and its rules and to eliminate any opposition to the USA’s policies in any field, whether culturally, militarily or political.
In the middle of this joint vicious global crusade and after the lines of the Muslims became distinguished from those of the Kuffar and while the world became divided and identified as two camps, a new legitimate leadership of the victorious sect from amongst those who fight for the sake of Allah (SWT), from Ahl ul-Sunnah Wa al-Jamma’ by their own lives and wealth and tongues arose. After Allah (SWT) honoured us to follow the path of the Salaf i.e. that of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) or Nahij As-Salaf (ra), and after Allah (SWT) honoured us to desert Irja and the Murji’ah and to reject Ta’weel and Ashaairah and the rationalism of the Muatazilah and the Maaturidis and to refuse the innovations of the people of desire and Mazhabism. With the ne’ma of having bara’ from Kufr Bit-Taghout and with declaring animosity towards them and declaring them kaffir and rising against them. After declaring Tawheed in Allah (SWT) and in his beautiful names and attributes exclusively and in response to the command of Allah (SWT) who calls for unity and standing together: in response to the call of salaf al-saalih and those who follow them – we have decided to dissolve the movement called Al-Muhajiroun, with full Tawakkul in Allah (SWT).
In light of the new reality after the blessed 9/11, the evil forces having united against the Ummah and Islam and fighting us all using the same bow – there is nothing left except that the sincere Muslims who fight with their lives, flesh and wealth unite for the sake of Allah (SWT).
O Muslims Islamic unity is a very dear request, a target, an aim and an objective and one which everyone in the Ummah looks for. After all it is the Wasiyyah of Allah (SWT) in his book and of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) and there are many texts calling Muslims to unity and a harmonious relationship and warning us against disunity and divisions. I believe that the situation the Muslims face has alerted a lot of Islamic activists and Islamic leaders to think deeply and to work seriously to reach a formula that can unite their stance and war and take them out of the circle of disagreement which is not allowed Islamically. They can rationally see the enemy fighting us united, firing from the same bow. They can see them gathering more forces and using international public opinion against us to change the Ummah’s culture and identity, under the cover of calling for democracy and looking after the minorities, by using the slogans of human rights and the freeing of women from oppression - whilst we are busy with issues which do not reach the level of the threat that faces the Ummaah. This, if we think positively of our priorities and concerns, whereas, in reality, the concerns of the Muslims today are very cheap.
O Muslims, verily the strategic threat which is posed by the Jihadi movement from the followers of Ahl ul-Sunnah Wa al-Jamma’ and those who support them – poses a real threat to USA and it has become clear, after the USA’a values have declined in the hearts of many Muslims and after her idle threats have died in the hearts of Muslims – Muslims have not only stopped doubting that they can stop the crusade of the kuffar if they unite, but they are convinced that they can do so.
However, this requires a brave decision and the moulding together of all the Islamic movements and groups and the propagation of the Jihadi notion of the Ummah, for the sake of uniting the body/lines around the world.
Therefore, I represent myself first, and on behalf of all the members of Al-Muhajiroun I truthfully and sincerely declare for the sake of Allah (SWT)’s pleasure – the dissolving of the entity of Al-Muhajiroun, whether it’s administration, culture or departments around the world. We are keen for the safety of the path to the way of the salaf and in support of the Mujahideen and Jihad, and for the sake of keeping the clarity of al wala wal bara free from any defection of partisanship and with a broad width for the true meaning of following the salaf and not to innovate in the time of the khalaf and in order for us to become a real and practical example for others to revive the meaning of names and structures. And Allah (SWT) guides to the straight path.
To purify our burden from any commitment and free the commitment of any members and students who were working with Al-Muhajiroun and in an attempt to motivate people for unity and to leave division and in order to stress to follow the path of the pious predecessors we declare this final declaration. And may Allah (SWT) be the witness that we target nothing but his pleasure.
Therefore all Al-Muhajiroun are removed from all administrative obligations but not any divine obligations they have to Allah (SWT) and which they are obliged to do. From now on if anyone claims to still be Al-Muhajiroun this is entirely up to them.
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad Tel: 07956 920 006
8TH OCTOBER 2004 / SHABAN 1425 AH
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